[Odonata-l] 2 other specimens to identify ???

[Pilon, Michel]

Hello, 

First of all I would like to thank everybody who answered my previous id question! It is really appreciated :-)

As I'm new with dragonflies world I would like to identify the following two... 

I photographied those 2 dragonflies to the Great
Meadows National Wildlife Refuge (near Concord) Massachussets (August 31st 2006)... 

Are they from the same species??? Is it possible to identify them
(family/genum/species)??? 

Thank you very much for your precious help!

This first one looks like a male Common Skimmer (Libellula lydia). Am I right???

http://parcours.pilonm.org/pictures/inconnu14.jpg 


I'm more hesitating with the second one: Can it be the female Common Skimmer or maybe the 12-spotted skimmer (Libellula pulchella) or another species???

http://parcours.pilonm.org/pictures/inconnu18.jpg 


Michel Pilon 
http://parcours.pilonm.org 

Sherbrooke 
Quebec Canada