[Odonata-l] Morphology and niche overlap
Roy v. Grunsven
royvg at hotmail.com
Thu Mar 30 03:18:17 PST 2006
Testing the niche theory is very difficult. It is always possible that
species differ in a characteristic you did not check, no matter how well
you've looked.
In dragonflies the larvae are the real playing field, that's where the
species compete. Looking at habitat preference a lot of species can be
separated on pH, oxygen concentration and different sediments or vegetation
needed. But if two species are in the same pond does not mean they
automatically compete, they can be in different places (in clusters of
plants or in the open) active at different times of the day or year or have
different food preferences.
An example of this is A. juncea and A. subarctica. These two are very alike,
both as adults and larvae. They often co occur and (at least in The
Netherlands) A. juncea is much more common. When looking more closely the
larvae of A. subarctica live in sphagnum mats and have an advantage over
juncea in this specific microhabitat. Probably competition with juncea keeps
it restricted to these sites but it does allow them to coexist.
Another aspect is temporal change. A lot of species are weak competitors and
are out competed all the time if a stronger competitor arrives. But in new
sites (after drought for instance) they have a temporal safe haven until out
competed again. So they can coexist although it's temporary.
All in all we can not really answer this question. Maybe well get the data
to show differences but will never have enough data to show that there is no
difference between two species.
Roy van Grunsven.
>From: Joshua Stuart Rose <opihi at mindspring.com>
>To: Odonata-l <odonata-l at listhost.ups.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] Morphology and niche overlap
>Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:54:05 -0600
>
>At 02:40 PM 3/26/2006, Dennis Paulson wrote:
>
> >Niche theory has always predicted that there should be some
> >difference in two closely related species to allow them to coexist,
> >yet that doesn't seem to be the case in many odonate genera. Are
> >odonates examples of animals that can be used to refute the
> >absolutes of both niche theory and allopatric-speciation theory?
>
>I do not think the data exist yet to allow us to make this claim. I
>tried to apply niche theory to odonates in my dissertation, and even
>restricting myself to a fairly narrow set of populations, the
>challenge was formidable. And I just worked on adults; to really work
>out the problem would require data on larvae as well. Maybe things
>have progressed a lot in the last year or two, but I did not see any
>ecological niche data on larva except at the coarsest scales: pH,
>plant/aquatic community, seasonal phenology.
>
>I haven't read Mark McPeek's latest stuff - I'm out of academia now
>and so do not have ready access to a decent library - but I think
>short-term, fine-scale allopatry is still a much more likely method
>of speciation, especially for insects with relatively limited
>dispersal and specialized habitat, than simultaneous mutation of male
>and female lock-and-key structures in sympatry. There is relatively
>extensive evidence among birds, and I think Hawaiian Drosophila too,
>that species get much less picky about mates when mates are in very
>short supply; and it is very difficult to figure out patterns of
>sympatry/allopatry in the past.
>
>Would love to hear if there have been some big new publications in
>the above areas that I've missed...
>
>Cheers,
>
>Josh
>
>Joshua S. Rose, Ph.D.
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